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PVP Notebook: Sap vs. Shield
The PVP Notebook is something new that I plan to keep up on. It is simply the random things that I note while dueling or playing arena. At the very least it is reinforcement for me as some of you may already know to do these things. For others it may be helpful.
Sap vs. Shield
One of the things that annoys me in a duel with a priest is his shield. He can keep it up indefinitely and that takes a lot of the bite out of your attack if you front load a lot of your dps. I was contemplating this problem the other day while I was circle strafing a priest outside of Orgrimar. We we're dueling and I didn't want my ambush or my first mutilate to be absorbed. I thought about trying to time it for when his shield died but he was able to keep it up over lapping his shields. I sat there for what seemed like a minute before slapping myself in the forehead.
Approaching him cautiously... i smacked him over the top of the head with the blunt end of my dagger with exactly 3-5 seconds remaining on his shield. Since he normally tries to overlap by less then 1-2 seconds I was able to sit out the remainder of his shield and open up on him with ambush or cheapshot into mutilate. Very simple yet highly effective in duels.
Sap vs. ShieldOne of the things that annoys me in a duel with a priest is his shield. He can keep it up indefinitely and that takes a lot of the bite out of your attack if you front load a lot of your dps. I was contemplating this problem the other day while I was circle strafing a priest outside of Orgrimar. We we're dueling and I didn't want my ambush or my first mutilate to be absorbed. I thought about trying to time it for when his shield died but he was able to keep it up over lapping his shields. I sat there for what seemed like a minute before slapping myself in the forehead.
Approaching him cautiously... i smacked him over the top of the head with the blunt end of my dagger with exactly 3-5 seconds remaining on his shield. Since he normally tries to overlap by less then 1-2 seconds I was able to sit out the remainder of his shield and open up on him with ambush or cheapshot into mutilate. Very simple yet highly effective in duels.
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posted by Cerias Shadows at 8/14/2007
Cerias Shadows
Daemona
Osiris
Khormid
10 Comments:
Yupp, this works wonders for me as well. I usually CS the priest though, 1-2 seconds before he re-applies the shield, let my energy regen go for 1 tick, then empty my energy bar on him.
I'm combat mace, when using daggers, sap+restealth and CS or Ambush works wonders.
Dementhor, Boulderfist EU.
Sorry, but what your suggesting is a really crappy idea, it has only worked for you cause you must be fighting an inexperienced priest.
First, you need to learn the mechanics of pw:s its a buff for 30secs, with a debuff which stops him from being able to recast it for 15(13 with 4 piece gladiators). So as you can see, a smart priest will never allow his shield to run out even if he was expecting a sap in a duel, it will heavily screw over diminishing returns when reapplying sap.
In my opinion, the best way to open a duel against a priest would be to open on him the second he reapplies his shield, a few good hits will get rid of it and this leaves him with just less than 15(13) seconds of a debuff which does not allow him to reapply his shield.
I see what you mean. However I have repeatedly run across priests who let this go. Granted you could also hit sap and cheapshot but that seems like a waste of good stun time. You will realize very quickly if the priest knows enough to overlap his shield quickly or if he lets it lapse. If he doesnt let it lapse then busting through it as soon as its cast is the probably the best idea as v`xsjcol said.
Cheap Shot is pointless the chances that the SP will resist it is to big (15 from talents +5 from gem), use Garotte instead. 1500 damage is enough to wipe the shield and the 3 second silence is enough to get in a Shiv cripple followed by Sinister Strike/Backstab/Mutilate.
He will fear at this point, trinket out of it and just plain zerg him, no possible way a SP can come back unless he can get another fear in and he is still higher >20% HP
I almost stopped reading when you started your comment with saying that Cerias idea is a crappy idea, but just to feed my curiousity I kept reading.
And after a couple of lines you start to contridict yourself, from being a crappy idea to open on the priest the split second the shield runs out. You are basically saying the same thing just with different wrapping. We both end up on opening on the priest just as the shield runs out.
Like Ceria says, there are _countless_ times this has happend. Last time was yesterday, 2on2, 1785ish rated team. It's not about being the best player in the world, it's about exploiting other players mistakes, so why not try it? The priest may be a superimbaturboshadowpriest, but even they make mistakes.
Most of the times you don't win a fight based on gear or how superman your opponent are. You win because you know there is a human being on the other end of the screen, and we tend to get sloppy sometimes and good players will exploit that a 100% and then some, this might be common knowledge and all but we all need to be reminded sometimes.
Dementhor, Boulderfist EU.
Garrote is a great opener. I have a question though. If you Garrote a priest while his shield is down and he reshields... does it start to absorb the Garrote damage from that point. Or does it tick away under his shield because you applied it before hand?
~CS
Dementhor, I don't think you read my post with your full attention, you probably just misunderstood it, I said it would be best to "open on him the second he reapplies his shield" re-read that until you realise i was not contradicting my earlier lines 'cause i'm not suggesting "opening on the priest just as the shield runs out." like you thought I was.
But sure, you can use the OP's tactic against the 1785ish teams because they obviously aren't highly experienced, I play at a much higher level so I have to adopt a much different play style. (Sorry, I'm usually a lot more modest.)
Cerias, if a priest reshields after you've applied garrote then I'm afraid the shield does begin to absorb the ticks that havn't gone through yet.
NOOOOOOO, guys, priests can't reapply during the first 15 seconds because of weakened soul right?
So the second you see weakend soul (Debuff) leave, SAP!, then by the time your first sap wears off (11 seconds), he will have 4 seconds left of shield, so sap again before he can reapply....
The second your last sap wears off you can get the big hit in because he will lose his shield approx 1 or 2 seconds before your sap wears off.
If you don't want it to be so close, just sap him about 1 or 2 seconds after his weakened soul runs out because chances are he won't apply it straight away.
Noooo this is all pointless.....
Weakened soul wears off with 15 seconds of sap left...
Weakened soul is a debuff so we can see it...
When weakened soul runs out, wait 2 or 3 seconds, and they shouldn't reapply it yet, too early, then sap them... When you get this first sap in, there will be 12 seconds of shield left...
When your sap runs out, there's 2 seconds of sap left, so sap again!
:D
Your second sap lasts 5 seconds so for 3 seconds they won't have a shield, happy pwning :D
I never thought about sapping a priest before he renews his shield Hmm... Thats a Very good Idea.
I always used the strategy the one guy said, start in the Second they renew the shield so you get the most out of thier weakened soul debuff.
I like your idea alot though cerias, because most of my damage comes from my opener.
-NitroInferno, Stonemaul
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