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When is it "okay" to gank?
As a rogue, we all know that we have the upper-hand when it comes to ganking. We can follow an enemy player for several minutes, wait till he gets in combat, and jump him. But when is it okay by your standards to gank someone? I know I HATE when I am playing a non-rogue alt, minding my own business grinding, and I get ganked. So I can only imagine how someone else feels when I gank them.
My philosophy is that if it is someone you KNOW you can probably kill it one ambush, and it is a worthwhile kill, go for it. Like I wouldn’t 1shot someone 10 levels lower than me for the hell of it… I have some dignity. Or if I am about to leave the area or zone. Say I just finished my quests and I’m ready to hearth and log, might as well take some opposing faction members with me, right? Now I know some people are, but I am not the kinda guy who will follow someone for hours upon end just killing him over and over and over. No offense to them, but that just gets old to me.
My philosophy is that if it is someone you KNOW you can probably kill it one ambush, and it is a worthwhile kill, go for it. Like I wouldn’t 1shot someone 10 levels lower than me for the hell of it… I have some dignity. Or if I am about to leave the area or zone. Say I just finished my quests and I’m ready to hearth and log, might as well take some opposing faction members with me, right? Now I know some people are, but I am not the kinda guy who will follow someone for hours upon end just killing him over and over and over. No offense to them, but that just gets old to me.
Now my favorite part is stalking your prey for revenge. Revenge is such a motivator for me. Say I just cleared out a whole set of mobs to get a chest, and a horde comes waltzing in as I run towards the chest and loots it… That’s when it is on! I will corpse camp this guy for a while, JUST to piss him off. I know it doesn’t do me any good, but you just get this feeling of satisfaction when you see his death animation around 6 times in a few minutes. But I don’t like to just corpse camp for no reason.
So tell me rogues, what are some of your standards for letting a player be, or WTFPWNING him before he knows what hit him?
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posted by KoLaZ at 2/04/2007
Cerias Shadows
Zyk
Osiris
Khormid
46 Comments:
It is always "okay" to "gank."
Players have to actively decide to play on a PvP server. By doing so, they must accept the fact that they will be killed by more powerful players in contested zones.
If you don't like being "ganked," then play on a Normal server. I didn't like it and as soon as paid transfers became available, I moved my level 58 'toon elsewhere.q
End of debate.
I must say I LOVE ganking people with rez sickness. I mean comeon, couldn't run back to your corpse? BAM Coolblood ambush and sometimes string them along with like a CS Mutilate Eviscrate. :P
hhhhahahaha...i do the same thing.
I usually only gank if the kill will give me honor points. A particular gank might not be honorable in the real-world sense but if it's honorable enough for the game then it's fine by me.
One exception for me though is what I call "guardian angel" ganking. When I have nothing better to do I'll often stealth and tag along with a solo player (any level) and wait for a member of the opposing faction to try and gank them. I'm telling ya there are few things in WoW more satisfying then ganking a would-be ganker.
Ganking for revenge is the sweetest. I do remember two incidents:
- I was on my 34 lock alt in STV when this 60 druid ganked me, not once, not twice.. but three times, so I logged off my alt and onto my Rogue who was parked in STV.. (The place he got me was close to the Zandalar tribe Island.. perfect place for payback) I stealth all the way there and lo and behold, there he was talking to a NPC. I ganked him not once, and not twice, but three times.. beautiful :)
- Another incident was a few weeks ago at the dark portal where I was trying to do the quest for the tabard, I kept on getting charged by this warrior who wouldn't let go, whats more to say is he was with a group (Priest, rogue, and some others). I got done from my quest, and simply waited.. As some of them were hearhting and leaving, I hit the sprint, Cs, mutilate, KS, CB mutilate, Evics, Tea Mutilate, Mutilate bam, he's dead, sprint still up.. run a few yards and vanish, beautiful revenge, not even his mates reacted fast enough.
I usually gank only if it would benefit me in the long run. If I'm questing in an area, and there's this person who is a known aggressor, and it happens that the nearest graveyard is miles away, I would put him out of commission for a few minutes and then quest before resuming my next gank to put him out of commission again.
If the person gives honor, I would definitely stalk him for a while, deciding if I can take him, and if the answer is yes, take him out. Then leave immediately. That only happens when I'm almost finished with whatever I'm about to finish there. That, or I'm just passing by. I don't gank for free.
But if both the target and I will be sharing the questing/grinding/farming spot for a long time, and isn't aggressive, I would play the diplomacy card and leave him alone.....until I'm finished with the place then I kill him for honor.
If I'm killed, I will generally attack the attacker in revenge, no matter who he is, and I will be stalking and killing him based on how many times he killed me. I prefer to double the punishment, then leave before he could get any reinforcement in.
I usually gank only if it would benefit me in the long run. If I'm questing in an area, and there's this person who is a known aggressor, and it happens that the nearest graveyard is miles away, I would put him out of commission for a few minutes and then quest before resuming my next gank to put him out of commission again.
If the person gives honor, I would definitely stalk him for a while, deciding if I can take him, and if the answer is yes, take him out. Then leave immediately. That only happens when I'm almost finished with whatever I'm about to finish there. That, or I'm just passing by. I don't gank for free.
But if both the target and I will be sharing the questing/grinding/farming spot for a long time, and isn't aggressive, I would play the diplomacy card and leave him alone.....until I'm finished with the place then I kill him for honor.
If I'm killed, I will generally attack the attacker in revenge, no matter who he is, and I will be stalking and killing him based on how many times he killed me. I prefer to double the punishment, then leave before he could get any reinforcement in.
If its an HK its fair game.
I used to walk past some opportunities but have ended up on the end of the gank I just passed.
In fact, I was in zangormarsh the other day, stealthed and watching a NE rogue ganking folk. A horde shama appears and kills an alliance pala while they are in the middle of a fight, then he trotts off and starts fighting another mob - cue the NE rogue - in he comes and kills the shaman to which I have to return the favour and kill the rogue. Whats funny about this is that the shaman sends me a whisper complaining about the fact that he was fighting when it happened. He's now ignored. If you can hand it out you have to take it.
My rogue is on a PVE realm, so there isn't much ganking going on usually. Anyways I am not a ganker. I think it's pretty lame to gank while someone is fighting or is way lower in level. It just doesn't take much to get a kill then...so what's the point? It's just like walking around rl and scrunching ants. I have respect for those attacking higher enemies or more than one.
As being said I am on a PVE realm. Still I killed one Horde Rogue several times as some kind of revenge. It all started when I was fighting some mob in Silithus to get the Thorium next to it. He approached and started mining....bad idea. Seen him with PVP active several times after that and he always ended up seeing the world in grey :)
Btw: I played my Shaman on a PVP realm from lvl 1-60 and hardly got ganked by Rogues. Mostly it was Hunters.
I usually don't gank if my victim is killing a mob, at least is a paladin or a rogue. Because i hate paladins (and maybe inside of me i know is the only way i can beat him), i gank fellow rogues while is killing a mob, because i don't want to waste the next 4 or 5 minutes trying to find him. I always gank after the victim loots. Anyway, i said usually, in other situations i gank if the victim is gathering a mine, or if it he was a jerk with a friend of mine...
I am of the "Live and let live" mindset. Getting tagged by someone 10+ levels my senior is not fun. Being on a pvp server I dont rile against it as it's a fact of the game. So opposing faction 10+ levels my junior will not come into my crosshairs unless there is warranted justification (ganking someone of my faction, etc).
That doesn't mean that I will run from such encounters. I will fight back to the best of my ability, overwhelming odds or not. And I will not hesitate to help any friendly that need it.
For me, leveling and questing is leveling and questing. Attacking the opposing faction is best enjoyed in the BG's or in the "Sack the town" groupings.
I have only been ganked by a Rogue once, he was level ?? though... Other then that everyone that has ganked me has been locs and shamans... (I'm very good about gouge and then run/fight) Most Rogues that try and gank me while leveling, end up getting gouged right in the face, then so on and so forth... The way I see it though, if they're going to be a bother for me... I'll gank them. When I'm higher level, I'm going on a ganking spree... (once I hit atleast 60 which I hope will be in about two-three days) 4 kills for everytime I got ganked, which was about 5 times.
Well, my new rogue on a pvp server is only 43 right now, so I don't know if this will change at 70. Basically, if there are two or more allies, I will attack when they are weakest. If there is only one, I would normally wait until their health/mana is relatively high (most people don't wait until full health until they start killing again).
I gank in BC to start shit after im done questing.. You know that when you are a horde rogue and you gank an alliance lock like 3 times hes gonna bring his buddies... Que my buddies and we have ourselves a little 3 on 3 world arena action going on.. Good times..
-65 Troll Rogue
Scilla
I remeber pre Xpac the rule was anyone with more MC+ gear esp a thunderfury or hand o rag had to die. Gank em let em rez and heal up then kill em again.
Once the honor system was introduced it was red + dead for awhile. Now with teh Xpac ill kill em if I dont think it will come back to hurt me, to manyallies you leave alone will kill you anyway.
I gank when I see yellow. Meaning I dont' /pvp much, but when I see yellow, I stealth over /pvp gank /pvp. Since I'm on a pve server, those in /pvp mode deserve a fight. Now I won't usually gank someone I can one shot...unless its a squishy class of a similar level to me. Also I have alot of lower level friends or friends who play all of their alts all the time. If they get greif from horde and the horde is flagged, they'll call on me to come help them get rid of the person.
Thats my thoughts on 'ganking'
-Carimm
I do not gank. I do not complain when I am ganked. But if you have the balls to gank me while I'm turning in a quest or fighting a mob, do not RUN when I come back for payback.
Three reasons for me to gank:
- Active PvP player (those I generally know)
- Revenge (so good to make him eat the flowers when he destroy your quest)
- afk players in contested zones ! I know this is bad but hey... Couldn't you just choose a city for that ? Be afk in a contested zones is for me like screaming "Hit me rape me kill me ! I love that !"
Im on a PvP server so I keep it simple. If its red its dead.
Lastly, I find that most players will spout all of the fair playing bs when they post or talk about this topic in public but there is always a circumstance where all of that flys out the window. So shouldnt't you post your lowest common denominator?
Lol. I will kill any person at any time if it catch's my fancy. Although if I have another agenda, I will play nice. Such as questing, or grinding for somthing specific, ie: Rep, Gold, special drops.
I ghosted into South Shore last week specificly looking for newb shaman to 1 shot. I found a few. Right in the Inn... AFK.
I just need to retrain myself now that the leveling is over to start KoS'in Alliance. Everyone was playing nice till now. Now you have ganking squads everywhere killing those leveling up.
My rogue is currently lvl 36. I've experienced so much ganking by high lvls that when I hit lvl 70, all alliance will fear me. 1 vs 4? I like those odds. But right now I'm combat specced so when I come along to a ally I basically stunlock it to death. If they don't wana get ganked go roll a care bear on an normal relam.
I generally save ganking for revenge. For instance, a few nights ago I was questing in Nagrand at the Murkblood camp. It was pretty late and there weren't that many people around, so the few of us that were there were actually helping each other whenever we crossed paths. At one point I noticed a hunter, who was pretty low on health, was getting killed by an NPC so I decided to help him out by killing his attacker.
What I hadn't noticed was that by killing the NPC I became flagged for PVP (I play on a PVE server), and I was being attacked by a horde mage and priest. By the time I noticed what happened I was dead and doing the graveyard walk -- apparently the NPC I killed was part of a horde escort quest, and the mage and priest weren't happy that I failed it for them.
Now, I wasn't happy about messing up their quest, but I don't get killed without seeking revenge. Needless to say, those hordies didn't live long enough to quest there anymore -- I camped them until they hearthed home.
I used to give people a pass who were obviously "just trying to level (like me)", but I got ganked waaaay to often for my generosity. I've learned the hard way, as a rogue you will almost NEVER get a pass if someone has the chance to gank you.
Sooooo, gank away!!
I like ganking when they don't have the dignity to let me finish the last 10% of a mob to start hitting me. Either that or when they gank my alts, I always park my rogue in zones like STV or Tanaris when I level there because I run a high chance of being ganked by some jackass who couldn't risk me getting enough HP back to make him work for the kill.
Otherwise I don't gank, I live by the "You don't bother me, I won't corpse camp you for the next 30 mins" policy.
Nothing says <3 like getting killed on your alt by a group of level 40~ allies in STV, killing all 4 then killing one of them on his 67 Mage main with your 63 rogue.
yeah im a rogue i love rogues and what i love about them is that they can work by themselves and i hated when i work so hard for a chest and some random guy just goes up to the chest and loots it before i do
so i do the same and just kill em a few times until im bored!
I'm on a pve server, but I'll run around with the /pvp tag up, just to tempt people to try to gank me.
Then I kill them.
To me, ganking is killing someone five levels below you or more. They have not a chance in hell. I don't consider greens to be ganked if they are in the area.
That said, I will kill greens or better unless I am in a hurry. I will kill any other character that tries to pull away an important mob I'm questing over. I will kill any character that attacks me and/or kills me, level notwithstanding. And, I will gank any character that is ganking other characters on my side (I'm lvl 64, so I will gank a lvl 40 that is ganking lvl 25s in Hillsbrad).
Other than that, I don't bother.
If it's red, it's dead.
I (sadly) play on a PvE server (Some RL friends wanted me to play with them.) so if they're flagged, they're asking for it.
In fact, in order to fill out my shady need to gank, I spend most of my time lurking outside the battlemaster room in Ironforge..
Personally, I have little morality in this world or in WoW. I have nothing against, and infact enjoy the absolute destruction of an ally. I have been killed much too many time to have any mercy upon them. We are at war anyway. If I am in a rush, no. But otherwise i attakc anyone even if they are 4-5 lvls ahead of me.
I Gank all lower levels i see, what the hell i'm a rogue! And more often than attack lone targets my level and above (64 at moment).
And lets not mistake the term "Gank" which for years before WOW was from the abbreviated GANg Kill (i.e outnumbered) but has come to mean killing someone by dishonourable means, What are we rogues? even on a dam roleplay server rogues are meant to be dishonourable!!
If i get honour points then thats a bonus :)
Levelling your lower level alt and get ganked , Log your rogue and deal the same.
Only last night i went after crusader enchant for my Enchanter in plaguelands.
And come across a team of 4 enemy chars, ranging from 56-60.
What the hell. Sap one, Blind one and BAM, lets get into it. Needless to say i love the rush!
and the /dance after is all the more satisfying.
I Love the stalk, the setup, thinking about how i'm gonna progress the kill and their bloody surprise as i jump 'em!!
LONG LIVE THE GANK
I like making people cry or so angry they quite wow… My favorite is ganking those twinker parties, with one lvl 60 and the other below my level. I enjoy watching them for a while when stalking, they look like they are having sooo much fun laughing, jumping around, and generally having a good time playing wow.
My goal is to ruin that fun. So, I sap and/or blind the higher guy and then let his stupid ass watch me kill his friend. Then sprint and vanish. It makes me feel good to make people so mad. I know this, because, when someone kills me, I GET MAD and say out loud, WTF what an assh***. So, now I’ve been ganked maybe 7-8 times. I’ve maybe ganked 150 people this way. Not bad odds.
Let me put it this way, if I may. I play four other classes in World of Warcraft, and I like to PvP. However, I play on a server (like all I guess) where I am outnumbered 2.2:1 because I play Horde. Nothing says love like world PvP. It's bad enough that in even numbers we dominate the alliance in PvP, but they know it. So, world PvP is constant ganking for me, unfortunately, it's on the recieving end. Especially and usually involving "Blue-Flagging". (For those on PvP realms, Blue Flagging is getting attacked from the safety of being unflagged).
I created, geared and levelled my rogue simply and only to gank. Karma is in my favor from all the times I have been ganked, so in a way, I am only making things even out.
- Sabrianica
Level 64 Assassination/Subtlety Rogue
I only gank people that will give me honor when they die,and when they have a decent amount of health to fight back 50%+, I never go around killing lowbies its just no fun.
Sometimes when i'm done questing or about to log I will take down the closest enemy faction player I can find. Other times I sometimes get the urge to go kill for no reason at all.
Gank till you can't stand to gank anymore. Folks choose a PvP server to be running in constant fear of the other faction.
If you walk on by an opposing faction and not kill them you have robbed them of the content they choose when they picked a PvP server.
If it's only concentual PvP one wants then that can be found with the safety of a PvE server.
Don't ruin other peoples game on a PvP server byh not ganking them. Remember there is always an escape from ones grasp with clone rez and other means.
Morsky - Deathwing 70 Rogue
Just want you all to know that this thread has single handedly made me want to play a PvP server like a trained rhesus monkey. I'm Orc 20 rogue w/ only 24 hrs cumulative on the normal, VERY sparsely populated Mok'Nathal. Because of friends.
Now I just want enemies. . .
I love pvp and I am pretty benevolent when it comes to questing and such.
That having been said if alliance so much as looks at me while I am questing my sword hand gets angry.
Last night I was helping some guildies and got ganked at warmaul hill in Nagrand by 5 guilded alliance. Unfortunately for them they needed to do quests yet and I had 4 hours to spare so I made em wipe on the boss, wipe on fear and hate camps, and killed em when they got in trouble. Yes... 5, 6, 7 times a piece until they learned that you should never mess with stealth types while you still have quests in the area or Nilla will get you in spades.
The only thing missing from my perfect revenge was the fraps video and the youtube link of shame as I counted 6 deaths for me and 36 for them so yeah I think it's okay to gank when they throw the first stone.
It's okay to Gank whenever you see it fit. Aslong as you accept whatever gankings you get without bitching, start handing out the whoopings.
After questing in Stranglethorn Vale and ganked there so many times, i no longer have any mercy for opposing players, 10 levels lower or even 20 levels lower, i no longer care, if i see u and i'm not busy u are dead.
In my opinion, the fact that ganking is permited by the PvP realm policy doesn't mean that those who gank aren't jerks. The reason I play on a PvP server is realism. If i choose to, I can be a jerk and gank the hordies or fight them honorably over a black lotus or a mining node, or seek revenge after being ganked etc. As for ganking lowbies, i think that's as dishonorable as it gets. There is no challenge involved and all it does is spoil their game.
Ganking, I love it when I do it, but it is rarely a top priority of mine. For example the other week I was grinding in Winterspring to earn honor with Timbermaw, and this mage comes in while i am stealthed. He is 3 levels up and I think to myself, I could kill him then worry about watching my back for him getting revenge, or help him quick get the last 3 kills I need. So they go after a mob I ambush the mob and help, bow and proceed to get the last of the honor needed, then wait for him to attack another mob and gank him.
For me the timing of a gank is important I put my quests and grinding above it, unless of course I have some grudge against the player(ie. revenge or he was ganking others) or thats the only thing I am out to do.
We are rogues, we can choose are battles and we can choose who and how long we are allies with some perosn.
Having played a Tauren warrior (DEF!) on a pvp-realm for a year and a half, I rerolled a rogue for my next char. Maybe due to my warri-times, I'm kind of very revengeful.
Still, I usually don't start the battle, as I'm either farming or in a bg. Nevertheless I once in a while meet those players who still don't get how stupid it is to piss of a rogue in open pvp. That kinda annoys me - not being killed, but being killed by an idiot.
If I wanted to kill a rogue, I'd do and then get the hell out of the place. But if you stay to farm or quest it's just an invitation. So if they attacked me when I was infight with a mob at like 50% health or something, I usually camp the shit out of them. It's kind of an educative sanction. Of course they sometimes gather their friends or guild members, but well...I'm patient when it comes to taking revenge on those wannabes.
On the other hand I usually withstand the temptation of collecting the cheap kills in the open range (as well as in bgs, at least as long as there are more dangerous targets). There's nothing wrong about it, as it is plain pvp, but I don't really need the freekills.
I'd like to turn the question the other way around and say when I don't think it is okay to gank.
If someone of the other side(horde) is doing an escort quest or killing a named mob for a quest, I will never gank. If someone from my own faction attacks the horde doing the quest, I will under no circumstances help him and if he dies to the horde and whispers or yells to me about not helping i will /ignore him.
My code for ganking is a strict process. A process that may take rookies one subscription renewal after another to fully comprehend.
I kill players on the Alliance, because you guys are a bunch of fags.
L2notbesogay.
If you have 'pwn' in your name, I will kill you, period.
Im on a normal server so ther really isent a gank issue unless there not allowing me to play an alt or sumthin of that nature...for instance i started ganking a 70 warrior cause he was killing all the npcs in x roads. i believe ganking is only right wen ther is a correct motive IE revenge....
I unfortunately gank everyone until I feel bad about killing them, then I wait until they are in a horrible situation and I /sorry, then help them kill their mobs, then /sorry again. And if they take it and move on, I let them go, and if they hit me, I camp them until they log.
-Extorn / Bram - Ysondre
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